together we are brethren!!

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LadyKiwi
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together we are brethren!!

Post by LadyKiwi » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:56 am

Many thanks to the person who alerted us to what appears to be a new Exclusive Brethren aka Plymouth Brethren website. This appears to be based in Australia.

See www.togetherwearebrethren.com.au

Take care
LadyKiwi

fisherman
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Re: together we are brethren!!

Post by fisherman » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:13 pm

Notably absent in their new website is any catechism or confession of faith.What appears to be evident is an attempt to be seen as ‘other Christians’,exactly the opposite to what they have always claimed.Perhaps this is a response to being labeled as a cult as they try to be seen as ‘mainstream’. The Scientology church has a similar website ...

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Re: together we are brethren!!

Post by LadyKiwi » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:33 am

I have been asked to post the following. It comes from a person who wishes to remain anonymous
Take care
LadyKiwi

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This new website is offensive to the thousands of people who were treated badly by the Exclusive Brethren / PBCC. They like to say they have changed but they have left an awful lot of damage and hurt in their wake. And what’s more- they couldn’t care less.

“The Plymouth Brethren Christian Church said the RRT is always looking for opportunities to support those in need.

"First and foremost, we are Christians, and lending a helping hand to those in need is at the core of what we do," he said.

"The meals are a modest gesture to show our support for those who are working without pay - at least they don't have to worry about lunch.

"The news of the government shutdown ending was a welcome relief - however, it is our understanding it could be up to a week before these workers will receive their pay.

"So, the RRT will continue to serve these workers - and we genuinely hope the meals we serve will help ease the burden in the smallest way.”


This statement from these ‘PBCC Christians – who are desperate to help others” is hypocrisy at its best – or worst. Here are a people- who live in a conflicted bubble of both hatred and love for the world – which they seduce for their moneymaking endeavours – while reviling it as inherently and fundamentally evil at the same time – which will ‘help’ people affected by Trump’s cruel and stupid Government shut- down, but thumb their noses at the thousands of people they have ‘dealt’ with and cast from their midst. And who they now treat as dead.

Many of these people – thousands of them it must be stressed, are deeply affected and impacted for life as a consequence of their actions, not the least of which is the loss of their families and children forever. At their insistence.

The hypocrisy of this is extraordinary. It beggars belief. They will dole out food to people who have missed a couple of pay-cheques (and I do feel very sorry for them) but they completely turn their backs on their own when they deem they don’t want to ‘walk with them’ anymore.

As an 18 year old I was put onto the street with nothing except a change of clothes. Not one penny was forthcoming for me to eat, set up a new place to live or make my way in the world. Not one Brethren member gave me one snippet of advice or offered anything by way of assistance. There were hundreds, and most probably thousands like me. My sin was that I wanted a decent job with some sort of future tenure and prospects. Their world leader had made further education illegal at the time. It still is. They are not allowed to gain a university degree to this very day. If they do they get thrown out.

Others fared worse. If they threw out a husband and father, they took him through the courts so that it effectively bankrupted him with legal costs, poisoned his children against him and forced him to divorce his wife. They then went after his assets and hounded him for child support. How many did this happen to? Hundreds? Thousands? These people are ruined for life. But this Christian group ‘with a core of care for providing a helping hand’ will stand up today and spout this sort of goody-two-shoes Christian message to make themselves look good on the world stage.

It is offensive. It’s worse than offensive. People have committed suicide over what the Brethren did to them. So desperate, so in need of help, that they despaired to a point where they took their own lives to stop the pain. And the PBCC Brethren couldn’t give a toss. They are very good at judging things quite wrongly. Even they admit that. They have wrecked lives and then realized that they shouldn’t have done it. What recourse do you have? None! What compensation do they pay? None!

Don’t be seduced by their sandwiches. They have a hidden agenda and it is all to do with their businesses and money making and Government funding for their closed order schools. Any order, religious or otherwise, that treats people like the PBCC treat theirs, is morally, spiritually and constitutionally bankrupt. And it offends a lot of people. It should also be offensive to those who support them in the world - who enable them to go on they way they do. In my opinion, they are among the cruelest people on the planet today.

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Re: together we are brethren!!

Post by fisherman » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:20 am

Totally agree,it’s nothing more than pure entitlement...they have no conscience,no remorse,no sense of shame, no sense of responsibility for what they have in perpetrating on people whose lives they ripped apart -nothing- there was not one scrap of repentance expressed ....it appears all that counts is to look good and continue to ‘fly under the radar’,just another whitewash job..

The Questioner
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Re: together we are brethren!!

Post by The Questioner » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:14 am

Shiny new website, same old deceits,

Young people can go to university? No they can't. They can do the odd course, through online courses after which they can work in brethren businesses. So they still can't chose the subject they wish to study. They still can't be teachers, or musicians, or doctors or lawyers or social workers. Or study simply to gain an in depth understanding of something. Just today the Taliban in Afghanistan have announced a more liberal attitude to women working and studying than the best the PBCC offer.

The PBCC still are terrified of learning.

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Re: together we are brethren!!

Post by twotimothytwo » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:12 pm

A quick reminder of what Preston Down Trust, together with all other PBCC affiliated Gospel Hall Trusts agreed with the Charity Commission 5 years ago, in order to retain their charitable status.
No action should be taken in any way to treat vindictively, maliciously or unfairly
persons whether within or outside the community, including those who were within
the community and who are leaving or have left the community. Every care should
be taken to provide for and support the welfare and education of children and young
persons within the community. Where persons seek to leave the community,
reasonable assistance should be afforded to them in terms of support and/or financial
assistance relating to employment or other matters, where they have been dependent
on the community for that support. Reasonable steps should also be taken in these
cases (consistent with and subject to any legal requirements applying to the persons
involved and the human rights of the persons involved) to allow the continuation of
family relationships where a family member has left the community, including
providing access to family members, in particular children. Where a person within
the community dies, the principle of separation allows members of the extended
family of the deceased, including former Brethren, to attend their funeral service. Any
people attending a funeral service (whether from within or outside the community)
should respect the wishes and beliefs of the deceased, behave with dignity and be
treated considerately.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... cision.pdf

Can we assume from the current treatment of Dr Ian Mackay by the Bible and Gospel Trust, that Bible and Gospel Trust (overseen by the same personnel who signed up to the DoV) have not been required to sign the Deed of Variation? If not, why not?

fisherman
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Re: together we are brethren!!

Post by fisherman » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:19 pm

‘Scratch a Russian,you will find a Tartar’....their carefully constructed website reminds me of Joseph’s brethren protesting ‘we are honest men’after they sold their brother into slavery to make a buck ...(It was an ‘individual exercise’)

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Re: together we are brethren!!

Post by The Erect Vessel » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:12 am

While none of us 'ex's are surprised, as this is the character of especially the hierarchy. Deceitful vindictive crooks of the highest order. No surprise.
It is in their DNA... embedded... burned in, and immovable. Utter lowest scum on the planet. Never a truer word You.Will.Not.Change.Us.

But will the Charity Commissioners do anything about it? I doubt it, and the peebs know that, so just push their luck and the brand of arrogance they show in getting away with all sorts of blatant evil, back-flips etc.. defies understanding by the rational mind.

Of course the ordinary peeblet doesn't think... minds warped with sleep deprivation imbibation of ridiculous amounts of alcohol etc etc.. They just don't think. No time to think. Certainly no time to analyse and think independently of the money grabbing machine at the top.

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Re: together we are brethren!!

Post by fisherman » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:04 pm

I liken the current peebs as results of selective breeding where undesirable traits(questioning,demanding verification) have been bred out of them,leaving future offspring docile and obedient,rolls over on command ,sits up and begs,jumps through hoops every time the big man cracks the whip..exactly what a self serving opportunistic ‘leader’ needs to enrich himself...but one day somebody just might cut the ropes that hold the ‘Big Top’ up and the whole thing comes crashing down and bring this circus to an end...it’s interesting to study the demise of past great civilizations were not conquered,but IMPLODED (not that the EB were ever great despite claims of being ‘The Church’, they were mainly a legend in their own mind, and might I remind them’God HATES pride’

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