A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armidale

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LadyKiwi
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A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armidale

Post by LadyKiwi » Tue May 22, 2018 1:22 am

AN UNUSUAL religious court case where the accused took a conviction and fine over a good behaviour bond has been resolved at Armidale Local Court.

Jeremy Faiers, a 25-year-old Plymouth Brethren follower was convicted of low range drink-driving on Monday.

Defence solicitor Glen Ping Kee argued a good behaviour bond would conflict with his client’s communion obligations, and suggested Faiers could enter into a written agreement with the court.

“These matters are personal and very significant,” Mr Kee said.

It’s difficult because of the religious teachings from a very well respected organisation within the community, and also the obligations of the state.
Magistrate Michael Holmes

“Although some might see this as an attempt to step away from the court, it’s because of my client’s beliefs that the directions of the court are taken in serious regard.”

A letter from one of the church’s elders, who cannot be named due to a non-publication order, asked Magistrate Michael Holmes to reconsider the severity of a bond in this case.

“It’s difficult because of the religious teachings from a very well respected organisation within the community, and also the obligations of the state,” Mr Holmes said.

“The community would not expect allowances for people’s individual religious beliefs.

“The bond would have been offered as an opportunity.”

Faiers had gone to his parent’s house for lunch and was pulled over  for a random breath test on February 18, the court heard, and blew 0.054.

Faiers has no previous criminal history, he was convicted, fined $500 and disqualified from driving for three months.  

“Your circumstances are unusual and faith based, I can only commend you for your beliefs and the well-respected religious community that has a significant impact in this town,” Mr Holmes said.

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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by Balaam's Ass » Tue May 22, 2018 1:28 am

Well-respected religious community ????? Well-respected by whom?

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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by LadyKiwi » Tue May 22, 2018 10:12 am

Maybe this Magistrate needs a little Education on what he/she sees as a "well-respected religious community". And maybe he/she needs to remember that all that glitters is NOT gold.

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I hope you get to see this "Magistrate Michael Holmes"

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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by LadyKiwi » Tue May 22, 2018 10:54 am

Another video that the justice department could be enlightened by.
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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by Balaam's Ass » Wed May 23, 2018 4:12 am

On second thoughts, maybe this is a good move. Maybe it sets a precedent for putting up a hand and saying "please throw the book at me for three charges of careless driving while under the influence of drink or a drug causing death, four of careless driving causing injury under the influence of drink or a drug, and one of failing to stop to check injury after an accident". Surely having to undergo four months of community detention would also interfere with communion requirements?

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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by Nottachurch » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:07 pm

A letter from one of the church’s elders, who cannot be named due to a non-publication order, asked Magistrate Michael Holmes to reconsider the severity of a bond in this case.
What I would like to know, is why on earth was a non-publication order granted for this "elder", and on what grounds? How do we find out? I cannot imagine why the elder of a self-described 'mainstream' church would need to have his (obviously it'll be a 'him') identity kept secret, simply because he's sent a letter to a magistrate requesting consideration of severity of a church member's bond. Bizarre.

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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by twotimothytwo » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:21 pm

Another corner turned. On good behaviour bonds this time!
Laming, 32, from Eastwood, pleaded guilty on Wednesday to failing to nominate the driver of the Mazda, but not guilty to intimidating the journalists, intending to cause them physical or mental harm.

He was convicted of the intimidation charge and placed on a 12-month good behaviour bond, but has lodged an appeal.

The Brethren refused to comment pending the appeal. ''Mr Laming's conviction is a private matter for him … he will remain a valued, loved and active member of the Exclusive Brethren community,'' a statement said.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/exc ... 16w5a.html

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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by fisherman » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:34 pm

Looks like the brethren have just defined what a 'valued' loved and active' member is( of course,that could mean his ability to make money...) and just what sort of 'good behavour' you can expect from them,where even the 'world' has to put them on a good behaviours bond?......I remember the pre 60 days when 'having a good testimony to those without' ( 1Timothy 3:7 ) was something not only emphacised but what brethren were known for...obviously not what is being 'stressed amongst us' anymore,although you still see that in the much despised 'Christendom' that the brethren have a 'judgement' of....someone recently asked me 'are the exclusive brethren Christians ?' ...I said I didn't know....

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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by son of peter » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:30 am

twotimothytwo wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:21 pm
Another corner turned. On good behaviour bonds this time!
Laming, 32, from Eastwood, pleaded guilty on Wednesday to failing to nominate the driver of the Mazda, but not guilty to intimidating the journalists, intending to cause them physical or mental harm.

He was convicted of the intimidation charge and placed on a 12-month good behaviour bond, but has lodged an appeal.

The Brethren refused to comment pending the appeal. ''Mr Laming's conviction is a private matter for him … he will remain a valued, loved and active member of the Exclusive Brethren community,'' a statement said.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/exc ... 16w5a.html
Hey 2T2 - Without meaning to take anything from the validity of your point, This article is well over 9 years old...

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Re: A Plymouth Brethren follower has been convicted rather than take a good behaviour bond for religious reasons at Armi

Post by twotimothytwo » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:59 am

Yes, but similar behaviour continues unabated. Whilst cosying up with the emergency services and using them for good publicity, PBCC/RRT still refuse to co-operate with them when requested to do so. Even at a fatal accident, more interested in covering up than saving lives.
Witnesses to the crash that killed three members of the Exclusive Brethren church told police a "clean-up crew" of secretive church members tried to take control of the crash site, according to newly released police documents.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12015112

Maybe a recent PBCC leaver could point me to the apparent change in doctrine over good behaviour bonds in the last 9 years?

The very fact that active PBCC are receiving these bonds speaks volumes. Most members of the 'world' don't.

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