"Working at UBT and the Brethren Community"

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Re: "Working at UBT and the Brethren Community"

Post by fisherman » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:11 pm

This can be traced back to JTsr who said that the leaders were 'in touch with Divine Persons and as such their words were 'authoritative' ...repeated often enough,it became accepted as truth and eventualy the 'authoritative ministry' took precidence over scripture resulting in 'systematized error '...not some minor diference in interpretation but a system rotten to the core. Paul told the saints to have nothing to do with such false teachers who had preached a diferent gospel .Scripture warns us they will 'arise from among your ownselves' ...and I submit that is exactly what happened.....

Remember,Christ reserved his greatest condemnation for such commercial systems masquerading as a church when he drove the money changers from the temple,calling them 'offspring of vipers' who had desecrated his fathers house of prayer. I suggest the same judgement applies to the UBT.In fact, I don't think you could find anything more opposite from the life and teachings of Jesus than the brethrens preoccupation with making money and their ostentatious display of wealth...

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Re: "Working at UBT and the Brethren Community"

Post by Ian McKay » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:48 am

Earlier ministers occasionally used the word “authoritative” but nowhere nearly as frequently as JT, and not usually to imply that Brethren ministry was authoritative. But it was one of JT’s favourite words and he thought it applied to his own ministry.

JND used the word 94 times
JBS used it only 1 time
FER used it 6 times
CAC used it 11 times
But JT used it 381 times

JND only once used the phrase “authoritative ministry” and that was a reference to Jesus’s own ministry. Elsewhere he denounces those today who pretend to teach authoritatively, and “the judgment of those pretending to authoritative teaching.”
You urge that the apostles taught by word of mouth before they wrote to the churches. Undoubtedly. Who ever doubted it? The question is, whether, since they wrote, what men have retailed for seventeen centuries can be relied upon — a question you do not so much as touch upon. You refer to Timothy's committing the truths Paul had taught him to faithful men: an excellent service, a thing which is done, be it well or ill, among different sects of Christians in their theological schools and colleges, and I doubt not was very well done by Timothy. But how does this make it authoritative teaching? No man's teaching is held, even by Rome, to be infallibly authoritative, save that Ultramontanes hold the popes to be infallible, which the Council of Constance, as we have seen, held them not to be.
See Romanism Part 2 page 65.

When FER used the word “authoritative,” more often than not it was to warn brethren not to presume to speak authoritatively. Citing the example of Jesus in John 5:47 he remarks
What is so striking is that He really seems to put the Scriptures as more authoritative than His own words. "If ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"
See FER Vol. 5 page 79

So Mr Fisherman is right to lay at JT’s door the responsibility for having popularised the concept of authoritative ministry, and started the Brethren equivalent of the Roman Church’s doctrine of apostolic succession, which JND so strongly warned against.

As many of us can testify by experience, subsequent Brethren leaders have developed this idea much further and used it to institute an extreme, totalitarian regime.

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Re: "Working at UBT and the Brethren Community"

Post by fisherman » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:16 pm

By the time JTJr came to power in the 60's ,the term 'ministry' was always used as 'authoritative ministry' ....even though that so called 'ministry' was counter to the scriptures and changed on mere whims( the lord appearently turned corners) any difference between the scriptures and the 'authoritative 'ministry' ,the 'authoritative ministry' took precedence and people were named as 'evil',and withdrawn from as 'wicked perscons' for daring to insist on the authority of scripture ...that,in my opinion is full blown apostacy,common to all cults.

The tragic part about this departure from the scriptures as their foundation is that the brethren may not even be Christians now (as defined as those who have been convicted of their sins ,repented and accepted Christ their saviour-once the prerequisite for breaking bread ) ,or as some people call them the 'Pseudo Saints',but still insisting they 'are the Church' ( JND said he would not fellowship with anyone making that claim )

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Re: "Working at UBT and the Brethren Community"

Post by twotimothytwo » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:38 pm

The organisation behind UBT look on outsiders as lower class and have demonstrated time and again that they put no value on the lives of people outside the community. Their 'management' style is almost non existent, they do not tolerate individuals right to privacy for example non straight people are not welcome within the organisation with comments being made such as 'we don't want our children exposed to them', Employees have little to no rights with contracts drafted in ways that allow a culture of paying people off to shut up and walk away if they disagree with something. Career progression is non existent as the community only exist to serve their own and if you are not part of the community you cannot get into a management role. Their HR function is non existent and their payroll is about as reliable as public transport. You are not allowed to talk about your personal life in the office, you can only sit at certain tables for lunch. If a community member makes a complaint there is no fair policy to be able to defend yourself if you are not part of them and you are automatically guilty.

Advice to Management

Stop trying to pull the wool over new employees eyes and tell the truth about the organisation
https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Reviews/Em ... 898228.htm

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Re: "Working at UBT and the Brethren Community"

Post by abishag » Tue May 01, 2018 2:58 am

Like most things that Hales engineers, UBT is not sustainable. It is not an acceptable commercial model. I mean by that, that while they employ worldly people and make a big deal of this, (they need them for their education and experience) worldly people will never and can never enjoy the same prospects as a Brethren or family member in any of their businesses.

The man that started UBT says that they hate the world. How can you then love your worldly employees? You cannot. They are there for a purpose. Tell us what you know, show us what to do, take your salary and know that you will never be one of us. In business or in our church. It's where the line between commerce and religion blurs yet again.

It's why they only dabble on the extreme outer fringe with charitable works, preferring to hand out sandwiches at local things like fires. They will never plumb the true depths of human needs like most charitable organisations. They cannot as it takes them out of their comfort zone. They don't in all reality really care about humankind or people. They hate the world remember.

UBT is there for one reason. Make as much money from the world as is humanly possible to support our own goals in life. If that means employing people with something called a university education, then so be it. But they won't eat, drink or socialize with you. You are there to make them rich. Period. You will never hold any position of real power in companies that they own even though they may hint at such things. Show me one person who is not a Brethren member who has equity in any of these businesses. They don't exist. They can't exist. Because they are worldly scum in their eyes, there to do a job for them. You are there to make them rich. You are tainted, looked down upon and not regarded with any true appreciation.

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